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Le Guin Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarded from the Feminist SFFU List: Hello Everyone, The journal Paradoxa: World Literary Genres is are currently preparing for a special volume on Ursula Le Guin, and we're trying to spread the cfp among people who may be interested. The cfp proper follows here. If anyone wd. like to spread it to other lists where they think people might be interested, please do so. Best wishes Sylvia Kelso Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Stillman" X-Yahoo-Profile: gwfhegel Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:08:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Call for Papers on Ursula K. Le Guin Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Diane probably the Yahoo list doesn't do attachments. Can you copy it to the body of an e-mail?: Thanks, Peter >Diane Severson scripsit: > >> The cfp proper follows here. If anyone wd. like to spread it to other >> lists where they think people might be interested, please do so. > >Except that it doesn't follow here. 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Begin forwarded message: > From: "Todd Mason" > Date: 26 January 2007 00:51:52 GMT > To: > Subject: [FeministSF] FW: [IAFA-L] Call for Papers on Ursula Le Guin > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: sakelso [mailto:sakelso@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:42 PM > To: iafa-l@wiz.cath.vt.edu > Subject: [IAFA-L] Call for Papers on Ursula Le Guin > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > The journal Paradoxa: World Literary Genres is are currently > preparing for a special volume on Ursula Le Guin, and we're trying > to spread the cfp among people who may be interested. > > The cfp proper follows here. If anyone wd. like to spread it to > other lists where they think people might be interested, please do so. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Sylvia Kelso > > > > > > ******************************************************************** > > Call for Papers: Paradoxa: World Literary Genres A Volume on Ursula > K. Le Guin > > > > "She is the kind of writer businessmen hate most, producing > challenging, unpredictable books whose meanings are too elusive to > be easily controlled." - Meredith Tax, *The Nation*:, January 28, 2002 > > > > If Ursula Le Guin were Japanese, she would surely be designated a > National Treasure. Her work in Science Fiction and Fantasy spans > the fields of fiction and criticism. >From her first published > story in 1962, her writing has blended elegance and passion, > vividness and acuity, and she has the unerring ability to capture > the unexpected perspective that is the trademark of science > fiction. Her fantasy has achieved that genre's variant sense of > wonder, the taste of age and Elsewhere that Tolkien called the air > of Faerie. Over the scope of her long career as a storyteller, a > poet and a critical thinker, perhaps her greatest achievement has > been her work's enduring commitment to ideas as being both > politicized and political. It is this commitment, particularly from > the 1970s on, when she began thinking about gender in both theory > and fiction, that has made Ursula Le Guin a major presence in SF > and Fantasy, and in the smaller but more exacting fields of > feminist SF and Fantasy. > > > > In these fields Ursula Le Guin's contribution is remarkable, not > simply for her fiction's shaping of political debate in the more > immediate and gripping form of characters' action, speech, and > literal flesh and blood, but also for her jargon-free and > emotionally rich critical voice. And, uniquely, for the courage > that has allowed her not simply to shift a position, but to admit, > freely and in print, as with "Is Gender Necessary: Redux," that her > previous arguments, however famous and praised, could have been > wrong. It is courage, as much as commitment and talent, that has > made Ursula Le Guin not merely one of the best known but one of the > most respected and perhaps best loved writers in her field. > > > > Ursula Le Guin has been involved with Paradoxa since the journal's > first issue, when she graciously agreed to participate in a > "Paradoxa Interview" (1995.) She also agreed to serve on the > journal's Board of Editors, and has subsequently contributed > articles, and with them wisdom, expertise and entrŽe at many stages > along Paradoxa's path. > > > > Paradoxa is now pleased to propose the publication of a special > Ursula Le Guin volume, which will be in part a collection of > critical essays and commentary about her work. This call for papers > requests abstracts or expressions of interest for essays dealing > with her adult SF and Fantasy, her critical writing, her books for > children and young adults, and her poetry, including her notable > translation of the Tao Te Ching, and ranging from overviews of her > work to studies of specific texts. Especially welcome will be > essays that assess the value or standing of this work or works to > the field(s) as a whole and at the present. > > > > We are also seeking personal reminiscences or memoirs, from those > who have known Ursula Le Guin firsthand, those who have worked in > these fields, or simply those who have read her work and wish to > record and/or honor the value it has had for them. Such memoirs > will be very welcome, as a means of deepening the volume's > perspective and extending the academic and critical picture to the > personal and, of course, the political. > > > > Academic papers may be from 4000-10000 words. We ask that > reminiscences or memoirs be substantial, 1000 words or more, rather > than paragraph-length tributes. Due date for proposals and/or > abstracts is March 30, 2007. Please send proposals by e-mail to > Info@paradoxa.com. Final date for submissions will be August 31, > 2007, and the volume will be published in 2008. For further > information about Paradoxa, please visit our website: www.paradoxa.com > > > > Guest Editor for this volume is Sylvia Kelso, who works part-time > at James Cook University of North Queensland. She has published > several articles on science fiction and fantasy, especially in > women's writing, has analyzed Ursula Le Guin's SF in detail for her > PhD., on the interactions of SF and feminism, 1968-1989, and has an > article on the two most recent Earthsea novels forthcoming in the > Aqueduct Press collection, *WisCon30 Chronicles*. Kelso has been on > the Board of Editors of Paradoxa since its inception. Her first > fantasy novel, *Everran's Bane*, was published in 2005, and she has > two further novels forthcoming in 2007, *The Moving Water* and > *Amberlight.* > > > > ********************************************************************** > *** > > > > > > > > ***************************************************** > > > > How wonderful that we have met a paradox. Now we have some hope of > making progress. > > - Niehls Bohr > > > > Web-site > > http://members.optusnet.com.au/~sakelso/ > > > > New book: *The Moving Water* from Five Star, 2007 > > > > *Everran's Bane* on YouTube > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeGnxPYHts > > > > _______________________________________________ > feministsf mailing list > feministsf@lists.feministsf.net > http://lists.feministsf.net/listinfo.cgi/feministsf-feministsf.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Stillman" X-Yahoo-Profile: gwfhegel Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 13:31:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Which UKL for non-SF/F readers? Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that if you can get people to read The Dispossessed, that's great -- it is long (387 pp), but it seems to me it is a great book, as sci fi, as political thought, & in many ways. Best, Peter -- Peter G. Stillman stillman@vassar.edu http://faculty.vassar.edu/stillman Professor, Political Science, Rocky 204, ext. 5581 Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The Dispossessed" is a good book for non-sf readers who are interested in political theory, because it shows how sf settings can be used as thought experiments to play out ideas. If they like that, there's lots more. Kim Stanley Robinson's novels, especially the Orange County trilogy and the Mars trilogy, are political in orientation and have a careful analytic approach similar to Le Guin's. For more red meat, in both senses of the word, try China Mieville. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello! I would choose The Dispossessed. Because it is a thought-provoking book, that deals with many relevant issues of society. Besides, I have heard a few people who are not normally into SF, really like this book. Let us know which book you choose and what your group think of it! :-) Regards, Siri from Norway. -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com]Pa vegne av Diane Severson Sendt: 31. januar 2007 17:25 Til: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; FSF Post Emne: [the-ekumen] Which UKL for non-SF/F readers? Hi! My book club in London has (foolishly) agreed to let me choose the list of books from which we'll choose our next read. UKL being probably my all-time favorite author I will, of course, choose one of her books for the list. But which one? These are people who don't normally read SF/F , so I want to choose one which isn't too difficult to get into. They are however, pretty open to reading challenging literature. Any recommendations? And why would you choose that one? I was thinking maybe the Lathe of Heaven or The Wizard of Earthsea. But maybe The Dispossessed would be good? Thanks! Diane Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would also support The Dispossessed, or The Left Hand of Darkness. I don't read science fiction either (not since seventh grade), but UKL is different. those are great novels, with loads of ideas as well as plot. Very mind-bending. Wizard is wonderful but too much like traditional fantasy, though of course much much better than most. I'd love to suggest ACH, but that's a big read and not a straight novel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Definitely go for "Dispossessed" if you have to choose one for Le Guin. A lesser-known but excellent (and very short) novella set in the Ekumen universe is "The Word for World is Forest" - which in the intro she clearly states as being an allegory for the Vietnam War. Might be a better way of stirring up discussion given the current silmilar situation in Iraq? With Kim Stanley Robinson, I'd agree with the Mars Trilogy and Orange County - apart from the last one "Pacific Edge" - which I found very disappointing. Mieville's are all excellent. The three New Crobuzon books (Perdido St Station, Scar, Iron Council) get progressively darker and more overtly political as the series goes on - but they're all rather long though. 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Dispossessed was to me the most impresive of the UKL Books and there is such a wide range of topics covered in it to discuss, along with the very moving story of coming home. The Word for World is Forest, I did not like, though I have this totally unfounded suspicion that the translator into german made the text much more explicit than it is. Jokerine. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Cooper" wrote: > > Definitely go for "Dispossessed" if you have to choose one for Le Guin. A > lesser-known but excellent (and very short) novella set in the Ekumen > universe is "The Word for World is Forest" - which in the intro she clearly > states as being an allegory for the Vietnam War. Might be a better way of > stirring up discussion given the current silmilar situation in Iraq? > > With Kim Stanley Robinson, I'd agree with the Mars Trilogy and Orange County > - apart from the last one "Pacific Edge" - which I found very disappointing. > Mieville's are all excellent. The three New Crobuzon books (Perdido St > Station, Scar, Iron Council) get progressively darker and more overtly > political as the series goes on - but they're all rather long though. > > Andrew > > > Re: Which UKL for non-SF/F readers? > > Posted by: "David Bratman" dbratman@... dbratman1 > > Date: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:38 am ((PST)) > > > >"The Dispossessed" is a good book for non-sf readers who are interested in > >political theory, because it shows how sf settings can be used as thought > >experiments to play out ideas. If they like that, there's lots more. Kim > >Stanley Robinson's novels, especially the Orange County trilogy and the > >Mars trilogy, are political in orientation and have a careful analytic > >approach similar to Le Guin's. For more red meat, in both senses of the > >word, try China Mieville. > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have to say I agree with you about not enjoying Word for World is Forest Jokerine, and I didn't read it in translation. I was also dismayed to read in UKL's introduction that it was written during a negative time for her when visiting the UK - albeit the . I made myself reread it recently, however, and did enjoy it more - it is also a novelty in being one of her books where more remains unfamiliar although I recognised the odd tag. I think I have a problem with the lead character Davidson being a total 'baddy' - and contrasted it with the developing character of the apparent 'baddy' in The Telling. Lyubov and Selver as more complex 'goodies' seem cast in the shade by the horrible Davidson. I got my reading group to read The Dispossessed a few years ago - most of them never read SciFi and the turn out was small; got a few converts though. We have since read things like The Time Traveller's Wife, however, which I would class as Sci Fi and people seemed to have no particular problem with. How about 'Four Ways to Forgiveness'? If you have some in your group, as in mine, where reading a novel is a major undertaking requiring several weeks, they might find some satisfaction with finishing the individual novellas. It's also my personal favourite of her later works. Lots of sociology and psychology as well as politics, and another transformation of a person seen initially as negative but who evolves into admirable - and this in spite of being a soldier! Hannah ----- Original Message ----- From: jokerinchen To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 6:39 AM Subject: [the-ekumen] Re: Which UKL for non-SF/F readers? The Dispossessed was to me the most impresive of the UKL Books and there is such a wide range of topics covered in it to discuss, along with the very moving story of coming home. The Word for World is Forest, I did not like, though I have this totally unfounded suspicion that the translator into german made the text much more explicit than it is. Jokerine. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew Cooper" wrote: > > Definitely go for "Dispossessed" if you have to choose one for Le Guin. A > lesser-known but excellent (and very short) novella set in the Ekumen > universe is "The Word for World is Forest" - which in the intro she clearly > states as being an allegory for the Vietnam War. Might be a better way of > stirring up discussion given the current silmilar situation in Iraq? > > With Kim Stanley Robinson, I'd agree with the Mars Trilogy and Orange County > - apart from the last one "Pacific Edge" - which I found very disappointing. > Mieville's are all excellent. The three New Crobuzon books (Perdido St > Station, Scar, Iron Council) get progressively darker and more overtly > political as the series goes on - but they're all rather long though. > > Andrew > > > Re: Which UKL for non-SF/F readers? > > Posted by: "David Bratman" dbratman@... dbratman1 > > Date: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:38 am ((PST)) > > > >"The Dispossessed" is a good book for non-sf readers who are interested in > >political theory, because it shows how sf settings can be used as thought > >experiments to play out ideas. If they like that, there's lots more. Kim > >Stanley Robinson's novels, especially the Orange County trilogy and the > >Mars trilogy, are political in orientation and have a careful analytic > >approach similar to Le Guin's. For more red meat, in both senses of the > >word, try China Mieville. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Stillman" X-Yahoo-Profile: gwfhegel Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:09:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Hi, new here and looking for a title Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Trixie, I think it is a story entitled something like New Atlantis -- in Le Guin's collection A Compass Rose. Originally in a book edited by Silverman entitled New Atlantis. But I am not certain. Best, Peter -- Peter G. Stillman stillman@vassar.edu http://faculty.vassar.edu/stillman Professor, Political Science, Rocky 204, ext. 5581 Yahoo! 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Dawley" X-Yahoo-Profile: janicedawley Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:22:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Hi, new here and looking for a title Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At 02:53 PM 2/11/2007 +0000, Trixie wrote: >I was reading a blog and saw a reference to >a Le Guin story/book about 'astronauts' who have diagnoses of >neuroses, psychoses, etc., that have a very long space journey, come >home little aged, but everyone they know is dead and gone. The title >suggested was 'The Word For World Is Forest.' The synopsis I've read >for that book doesn't fit. Does this sound familiar as a story/book >Ms. Le Guin wrote? This definitely sounds like "Vaster than Empires and More Slow". At the beginning of that story, Le Guin writes: "It was only during the earliest decades of the League that the Earth sent ships out on the enormously long voyages, beyond the pale, over the stars and far away. They were seeking for worlds which had not been seeded or settled by the Founders on Hain, truly alien worlds. All the Known Worlds went back to the Hainish Origin, and the Terrans, having been not only founded but salvaged by the Hainish, resented this. They wanted to get away from the family. They wanted to find somebody new. The Hainish, like tiresomely understanding parents, supported their explorations, and contributed ships and volunteers, as did several other worlds of the League. "All these volunteers to the Extreme Survey crews shared one peculiarity: they were of unsound mind. What sane person, after all, would go out to collect information that would not be received for five or ten centuries?" &c. The rest of the story is very good -- one of the best of Le Guin's early work. ----- Janice E. Dawley.....Burlington, VT http://therem.net/ Listening to: The Decemberists -- The Crane Wife "Never send a monster to do the work of an evil scientist." Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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X-Yahoo-Profile: rubykaye Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:00:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Hi, new here and looking for a title Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, as others have written, this is definitely "Vaster than Empires and More Slow", published in "The Wind's Twelve Quarters" and other short story collections. It is also definitely one of her very best. Since reading it, I been surprised that I've never seen anyone else deal so directly and so humorously with this obvious problem that would arise related to long-distance space travel - how indeed could you recruit people of sound mind to abandon everything and everyone they've known to participate in a this kind of a voyage? At 04:22 PM 2/11/2007, you wrote: >This definitely sounds like "Vaster than Empires and More Slow". At the >beginning of that story, Le Guin writes: > >"All these volunteers to the Extreme Survey crews shared one peculiarity: >they were of unsound mind. > >What sane person, after all, would go out to collect information that would >not be received for five or ten centuries?" > >&c. The rest of the story is very good -- one of the best of Le Guin's >early work. Yahoo! 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I have found it in the online catalog of my library and hope to read it soon. I am also really happy to have found a new (to me) author. It looks like Ms. Le Guin will provide me with many hours of enjoyable reading! My best, Trixie Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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So I know it's the real thing! And it's very much a LeGuin story in its bending of the reader's consciousness. From her early science fiction through the sophisticated tales of "Left Hand of Darkness" and "The Dispossessed" to the poems and stories told from the points of view of rocks, trees, people and beings different from Us -- all through this literature is the use of different perspectives than in traditional fiction, and done so artfully that the reader is caught unaware and gradually is persuaded to change an old outlook. It's been quite a while since I read TWFWIF, but the memory is as sharp and clear as ever. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=EohXTAlNDwhw8+jelrSGx92LruLx7UotIxWa2YvEpjMSn5BygoI6adTlbuIs6sKWW63sxiwLzt0QF0cgtJPekmejRYxYddJFKWljOQYC8enUm0Ohe8BfrZkm2IBqTAdE; Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n26.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2007 19:00:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.115] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2007 19:00:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2266408-m1571 X-Sender: oficehumor@aol.com X-Apparently-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 32893 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2007 19:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.33) by m47.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Feb 2007 19:00:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n30a.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.33) by mta7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2007 19:00:19 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n30.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2007 18:59:53 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.84] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2007 18:59:53 -0000 To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.94.237.33 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 70.157.80.101 From: "Trixie" X-Yahoo-Profile: oficehumor Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 18:59:52 -0000 Subject: [the-ekumen] Have now read 'Vaster than Empires...' Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found 'The Winds Twelve Quarters' at a local library and read 'Vaster than Empires and More Slow.' Wow, it's mind expanding reading! Guess I'll have to read more Le Guin -- this should be fun. Thanks again, Trixie Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=NtVY9568X73UvovOl23PeEUu4dQrZEYy0/NOXjfx6U1xPcncoUSFHEjhI/GSoX8TA1D+YEV+Q27jf83Bbxn5aurkAjyyLknIQNjfgy4o++H1n6THek0NPlsN8Ioy12ft; Received: from [216.252.122.219] by n13.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2007 13:14:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by t4.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2007 13:14:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.107] by t1.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Feb 2007 13:14:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2266408-m1572 X-Sender: ldavis@oceanfree.net X-Apparently-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 79339 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2007 13:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m40a.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Feb 2007 13:14:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ni-mail2.dna.utvinternet.net) (194.46.8.26) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2007 13:14:54 -0000 Received: from home6yks5fkixn (unverified [194.46.165.251]) by ni-mail2.dna.utvinternet.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.3.459.0) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:14:47 +0000 X-Modus-BlackList: ldavis@oceanfree.net=OK Message-ID: <005501c75427$ec26ec20$0201a8c0@home6yks5fkixn> To: "The Ekumen" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Originating-IP: 194.46.8.26 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Laurence Davis" X-Yahoo-Profile: laurencedvs Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 13:14:43 -0000 Subject: [the-ekumen] CFP: Anarchism & Utopianism Panel(s) at USS Plymouth Conference Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-trad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, I am organising a panel (or panels, depending on the level of interest) on the theme of anarchism and utopianism at the 8th international conference of the European Utopian Studies Society, which will be held at the University of Plymouth (U.K.) from July 12-14, 2007. The main focus of the panel will be the contemporary resonances of historical associations between the two traditions, particularly in the form of revolutionary movements, countercultural communal experiments, unorthodox work and living arrangements, alternative education and spirituality, and/or works of literature, philosophy, and visual art. Contributions are encouraged from those with an interest in any aspect of the subject, but I am particularly keen to receive proposals on the contemporary relevance of anarchist utopian currents in the 1960s and early 1970s(including the work of Le Guin). If you are interested, please let me know as soon as possible off list (ldavis@oceanfree.net). More details about the conference are available here: http://www.utopianstudieseurope.org/confevents.htm. Small grants generously funded by the Anarchist Studies Network may be available on a need-only basis to offset a portion of travel costs. Laurence Davis (Dublin, Ireland) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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I believe it is something like... ăIt is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters in the end.ä Would someone please point me in the correct direction to identify the exact statement and the document within which this statement appears? Thank you so much for your assistance... :) FemaleAchievementSeeker ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kOt0.A/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/F77qlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=M1nVC3UNiblHEH8vSJXWZkzuQdioyL4sqIPQ5sjzniYoaBgqGtL7MSsn2+Q9fIAbXbLsrcWof4xD2E/EM5+IohDAv6vz5bfVVsJAsnF3MPqj2nwV35lhScKQqVlprEoF; Received: from [216.252.122.217] by n7.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2007 18:20:10 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by t2.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2007 18:15:02 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.91] by t6.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Mar 2007 18:15:02 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2266408-m1575 X-Sender: aquila1@ihug.co.nz X-Apparently-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 77065 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2007 18:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.71) by m50.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Mar 2007 18:14:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alias5.ihug.co.nz) (203.96.222.15) by mta13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 18:14:24 -0000 Received: from ironport6.ihug.co.nz [203.109.254.26] by alias5.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1HQSYp-00068v-00; Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:14:23 +1300 Received: from 203-118-189-91.bliink.ihug.co.nz (HELO [10.1.1.2]) ([203.118.189.91]) by ironport6.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP; 12 Mar 2007 07:13:18 +1300 X-Ironport-Seen: Yes Message-ID: <45F4469B.2050805@ihug.co.nz> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com References: <586037.29374.qm@web63114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <586037.29374.qm@web63114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 203.96.222.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 2:3:4:0 From: Aquila X-Yahoo-Profile: aquila1nz Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:12:43 +1300 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Source Information Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain I'm pretty sure its from Disposessed. Penny Quinn wrote: > I am interested in identifying a quote of Ursula Le Guin. I believe it is something like... ŇIt is good to have an end to journey toward; but it is the journey that matters in the end.Ó > > Would someone please point me in the correct direction to identify the exact statement and the document within which this statement appears? > > Thank you so much for your assistance... > :) > FemaleAchievementSeeker > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/lOt0.A/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/F77qlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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(71.236.158.165) by relay01.pair.com with SMTP; 11 Mar 2007 18:38:01 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.236.158.165 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <586037.29374.qm@web63114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <586037.29374.qm@web63114.mail.re1.yahoo.com> To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.68.5.15 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: heather whipple X-Yahoo-Profile: hhwsondry Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:37:59 -0800 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Source Information Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain "It is good to have an end to journey towards; but it is the journey that matters, in the end" It's in the second to last paragraph of chapter 15 of The Left Hand of Darkness. p.220 in the Ace paperback edition or p. 209 in the 25th anniversary edition hardcover. Heather (ps: to give credit where credit is due, I did not know this off the top of my head; a google search led me to this website: http://theliterarylink.com/leftquotes.html ) >I am interested in identifying a quote of Ursula >Le Guin. I believe it is something like... ăIt >is good to have an end to journey toward; but it >is the journey that matters in the end.ä > >Would someone please point me in the correct >direction to identify the exact statement and >the document within which this statement >appears? > >Thank you so much for your assistance... >:) >FemaleAchievementSeeker -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . heather whipple hhw@sondryfolk.net http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. 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The Left Hand of Darkness is correct for that is one of my very favorite quotes from that novel - along with "Ignorance is the ground of thought. Unproof is the ground of action." --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, heather whipple wrote: > > "It is good to have an end to journey towards; > but it is the journey that matters, in the end" > > It's in the second to last paragraph of chapter > 15 of The Left Hand of Darkness. > > p.220 in the Ace paperback edition or p. 209 in > the 25th anniversary edition hardcover. > > Heather > > (ps: to give credit where credit is due, I did > not know this off the top of my head; a google > search led me to this website: > http://theliterarylink.com/leftquotes.html ) > > >I am interested in identifying a quote of Ursula > >Le Guin. I believe it is something like... "It > >is good to have an end to journey toward; but it > >is the journey that matters in the end." > > > >Would someone please point me in the correct > >direction to identify the exact statement and > >the document within which this statement > >appears? > > > >Thank you so much for your assistance... > >:) > >FemaleAchievementSeeker > > -- > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > heather whipple > hhw@... > http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/F77qlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings everyone, I'll get straight to the point! I'm hoping to illustrate some of Ms. LeGuin's work. I don't plan to sell of distribute any of it, it'll remain in my portfolio. I'm working on being an illustrator/ concept artist and I feel her work hasn't been adequately represented in a visual sense, certainly not loyal to its essence (although I do love the illustrations in my copies of the Earthsea books.). I mean...just not enough, you know? I've chosen some of the short stories from The Wind's Twelve Quarters. The ones I can imagine most vividly are Things/The End and Darkness Box. If there are any copyright issues regarding such a thing please mention them (I couldn't find any on her site)...I believe they call such things 'fan art'. I'd like to be one of the few existing 'Le Guin Artists' like 'Tolkien Artists'. Draw purely for the love of the story.I'm not terrible at it, that I know :) ---- so don't go 'not again' too soon. Although I'm not an expert!-- I'm still learning, so I might be putting up my work-in-progress at a site called ConceptArt.org ---- a wonderful site where professional illustrators aid us newbies in improving and refining our work. I'm acting like I've already started. Let me tell you all---I HAVEN'T...although I've visualized in my head the end results and the treatment I intend to give, let me tell you there's a lot of work ahead. Again, I'll get to the point---- I have a copy of the book, just not here. They don't have it in the local library either. I wondered if anyone nearby could lend me a copy of TWTQ or I'll have to order it again from the internet, or tell me where I can get the text for Darkness Box or Things. I live in Connecticut. PleasePlease. May be when I'm done I can mail her. I've wanted to earlier but I've never had anything useful to say. And ofcourse suggestions are welcome! If you want to know what I ave planned, do ask, I'll try to describe it best in words. cheers, RG --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RG scripsit: > I'll get straight to the point! I'm hoping to illustrate some of > Ms. LeGuin's work. I don't plan to sell of distribute any of it, > it'll remain in my portfolio. I'm working on being an illustrator/ > concept artist and I feel her work hasn't been adequately represented > in a visual sense, certainly not loyal to its essence (although I > do love the illustrations in my copies of the Earthsea books.). I > mean...just not enough, you know? Write to Le Guin's agent first to get permission if you are going to put your work on a publicly accessible Web site (that includes, *especially* includes, pay sites). Pictures intended to illustrate a specific written work are derivative works and require permission. Contact information for her agent: Virginia Kidd Agency P.O. Box 278 Milford, PA 18337 Voice: 570-296-6205 Fax: 570-296-7266 Email: agents (at) vk-agency (dot) com > Again, I'll get to the point---- I have a copy of the book, just > not here. They don't have it in the local library either. I wondered > if anyone nearby could lend me a copy of TWTQ or I'll have to order > it again from the internet, or tell me where I can get the text for > Darkness Box or Things. I live in Connecticut. PleasePlease. Talk to your library about what interlibrary loan networks they participate in. IIRC, all the public libraries in Connecticut are on such a network. (The signature below was chosen at random.) -- While staying with the Asonu, I met a man from John Cowan the Candensian plane, which is very much like cowan@ccil.org ours, only more of it consists of Toronto. http://:www.ccil.org/~cowan --Ursula K. Le Guin, Changing Planes Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day with similar requests? Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, John Cowan wrote: > > RG scripsit: > > > I'll get straight to the point! I'm hoping to illustrate some of > > Ms. LeGuin's work. I don't plan to sell of distribute any of it, > > it'll remain in my portfolio. I'm working on being an illustrator/ > > concept artist and I feel her work hasn't been adequately represented > > in a visual sense, certainly not loyal to its essence (although I > > do love the illustrations in my copies of the Earthsea books.). I > > mean...just not enough, you know? > > Write to Le Guin's agent first to get permission if you are going to > put your work on a publicly accessible Web site (that includes, > *especially* includes, pay sites). Pictures intended to illustrate > a specific written work are derivative works and require permission. > > Contact information for her agent: > Virginia Kidd Agency > P.O. Box 278 > Milford, PA 18337 > Voice: 570-296-6205 > Fax: 570-296-7266 > Email: agents (at) vk-agency (dot) com > > > Again, I'll get to the point---- I have a copy of the book, just > > not here. They don't have it in the local library either. I wondered > > if anyone nearby could lend me a copy of TWTQ or I'll have to order > > it again from the internet, or tell me where I can get the text for > > Darkness Box or Things. I live in Connecticut. PleasePlease. > > Talk to your library about what interlibrary loan networks they participate > in. IIRC, all the public libraries in Connecticut are on such a network. > > (The signature below was chosen at random.) > > -- > While staying with the Asonu, I met a man from John Cowan > the Candensian plane, which is very much like cowan@... > ours, only more of it consists of Toronto. http://:www.ccil.org/~cowan > --Ursula K. Le Guin, Changing Planes > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit grumblewuggy scripsit: > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > with similar requests? I'm not too clear who you mean by "she", whether UKL or her agent. You should definitely not go through UKL, as she will just forward everything to the agent regardless. It's an agent's job to respond to such queries; I see no reason why one such query should be treated any differently from another. In general UKL has been quite accepting about transfers of her material from one medium to another. I'd say send a query letter/email first, and follow up with an example when and if asked for one. -- LEAR: Dost thou call me fool, boy? John Cowan FOOL: All thy other titles http://www.ccil.org/~cowan thou hast given away: cowan@ccil.org That thou wast born with. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In any case, you can do this for yourself. And taking the leap never hurts. At least you will know what you are about. etc. J. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" wrote: > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > with similar requests? > > > > Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, John Cowan wrote: > > > > RG scripsit: > > > > > I'll get straight to the point! I'm hoping to illustrate some of > > > Ms. LeGuin's work. I don't plan to sell of distribute any of it, > > > it'll remain in my portfolio. I'm working on being an illustrator/ > > > concept artist and I feel her work hasn't been adequately > represented > > > in a visual sense, certainly not loyal to its essence (although I > > > do love the illustrations in my copies of the Earthsea books.). I > > > mean...just not enough, you know? > > > > Write to Le Guin's agent first to get permission if you are going to > > put your work on a publicly accessible Web site (that includes, > > *especially* includes, pay sites). Pictures intended to illustrate > > a specific written work are derivative works and require permission. > > > > Contact information for her agent: > > Virginia Kidd Agency > > P.O. Box 278 > > Milford, PA 18337 > > Voice: 570-296-6205 > > Fax: 570-296-7266 > > Email: agents (at) vk-agency (dot) com > > > > > Again, I'll get to the point---- I have a copy of the book, just > > > not here. They don't have it in the local library either. I wondered > > > if anyone nearby could lend me a copy of TWTQ or I'll have to order > > > it again from the internet, or tell me where I can get the text for > > > Darkness Box or Things. I live in Connecticut. PleasePlease. > > > > Talk to your library about what interlibrary loan networks they > participate > > in. IIRC, all the public libraries in Connecticut are on such a > network. > > > > (The signature below was chosen at random.) > > > > -- > > While staying with the Asonu, I met a man from John Cowan > > the Candensian plane, which is very much like cowan@ > > ours, only more of it consists of Toronto. http://:www.ccil.org/~cowan > > --Ursula K. 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, a decent illustration should at least a month, from designing the characters, the composition, deciding on which colour palette to use----and after all that, like all artists I would like to be seen. It's just too tempting. A work of art isn't entirely worth anything unless it's seen. And no, I'm not doing this entirely for myself. "At least you will know what you are about. etc." Wow... Thanks anyways..... RG --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "jokerinchen" wrote: > > In any case, you can do this for yourself. And taking the leap never > hurts. At least you will know what you are about. etc. > > J. > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > wrote: > > > > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > > with similar requests? > > > > > > > > Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I meant her agent for the first question and herself for the second. I will email the agent and be clear about my intentions regarding how the final product will be received (it will stay in my portfolio and not be sold, however it won't stop anyone from downloading it if I ever put it on a personal website). Thankyou John. RG --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, John Cowan wrote: > > grumblewuggy scripsit: > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > > with similar requests? > > I'm not too clear who you mean by "she", whether UKL or her agent. > You should definitely not go through UKL, as she will just forward > everything to the agent regardless. > > It's an agent's job to respond to such queries; I see no reason > why one such query should be treated any differently from another. > In general UKL has been quite accepting about transfers of her > material from one medium to another. > > I'd say send a query letter/email first, and follow up with an > example when and if asked for one. > > -- > LEAR: Dost thou call me fool, boy? John Cowan > FOOL: All thy other titles http://www.ccil.org/~cowan > thou hast given away: cowan@... > That thou wast born with. > Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh. I misunderstood what you were about. I hope you didn't feel attacked. That was not my intention. But I usually stick to the rule, if I want to do something that I will take the necessary steps to do it, even if that MAY BE unsuccessful because otherwise it WILL be unsuccessfull. And I believe that UKL/agent will let you do the illustrations. anyway theres a totally selfish motive for encouraging you to do this work: I would really like to see some good illustrations myself. Hope you do and hope I see your work. Creativity and Concentration be with you, Jokerine. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" wrote: > > > Well, a decent illustration should at least a month, from designing the > characters, the composition, deciding on which colour palette to > use----and after all that, like all artists I would like to be seen. > It's just too tempting. A work of art isn't entirely worth anything > unless it's seen. And no, I'm not doing this entirely for myself. > > "At least you will know what you are about. etc." > > Wow... > > > > Thanks anyways..... > > > > RG > > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "jokerinchen" wrote: > > > > In any case, you can do this for yourself. And taking the leap never > > hurts. At least you will know what you are about. etc. > > > > J. > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > > > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > > > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > > > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > > > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > > > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > > > with similar requests? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I was wondering why I received such a cool reception. I intended to carry one with my mission regardless----the legal way. Now that you mention that you might want to see the results it does make me feel better. As for the reasons, I'll elaborate: My search engine did not turn up any illustrations inspired by UKL's work unless it was on a book cover, and some amateur stuff in the fanart section in Elfwood. No not even one that's done by a professional. I think that's terrible (that's another reason why if anyone did do something and is sitting on it, I think it should be shared). We all know how her work has been watered down in the visual media to suite everyone's tastes. I don't want to complain about it cz it does no good, especially if I possess the skills to change it. I owe it to her---even if she doesn't get to see it---to do something that I feel is true to her vision. It will test my drawing skills, but it's worth the effort. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "jokerinchen" wrote: > > Oh. I misunderstood what you were about. I hope you didn't feel > attacked. That was not my intention. But I usually stick to the rule, > if I want to do something that I will take the necessary steps to do > it, even if that MAY BE unsuccessful because otherwise it WILL be > unsuccessfull. And I believe that UKL/agent will let you do the > illustrations. > > anyway theres a totally selfish motive for encouraging you to do this > work: I would really like to see some good illustrations myself. > > Hope you do and hope I see your work. Creativity and Concentration be > with you, Jokerine. > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > wrote: > > > > > > Well, a decent illustration should at least a month, from designing the > > characters, the composition, deciding on which colour palette to > > use----and after all that, like all artists I would like to be seen. > > It's just too tempting. A work of art isn't entirely worth anything > > unless it's seen. And no, I'm not doing this entirely for myself. > > > > "At least you will know what you are about. etc." > > > > Wow... > > > > > > > > Thanks anyways..... > > > > > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "jokerinchen" wrote: > > > > > > In any case, you can do this for yourself. And taking the leap never > > > hurts. At least you will know what you are about. etc. > > > > > > J. > > > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > > > > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > > > > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > > > > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > > > > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > > > > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > > > > with similar requests? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <6BB0ADBF3EFE2442B7E28A039501C247086CE10B@yuna.docscience.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [the-ekumen] Re: Planning to Illustrate some of Ms. Le Guin's work. Thread-Index: Acd+5anizjsdmoJWRYKMC+cDNuNpVgAAGkMg References: To: X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Docsci CUDA at docscience.com X-Originating-IP: 192.80.54.45 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: "Rizwan Virk" X-Yahoo-Profile: rizwanv Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 15:56:08 -0700 Subject: RE: [the-ekumen] Re: Planning to Illustrate some of Ms. Le Guin's work. Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, This is an interesting conversation. I would encourage you to "go with it" for your own portfolio purposes to share the artwork with friends. However, Le Guin's agent, (in my own experience - I can't speak for others) has not been very easy to work with to get permission for doing anything earthsea related that would be marketed professionally. They've not been open to requests like this in the past unless it came from a major studio paying big $ as far as I've seen (again this is only my own personal experience - others may have found different results so don't take it as gospel). There's a good case for why she's very guarded about these things on her website. Speaking artwork, I collected a bunch of the best an artwork (illustrations, watercolors, 3d) I've seen related to Earthsea out there as part of my collection - "To Light A Candle: The Unofficial Earthsea Companion" which is available at http://www.zenentrepreneur.com/earthsea.pdf Some of the best work was 3-d artwork from Laurie prindle, who has since expanded her earthsea artwork and it is available on her personal website at: http://www.llprindle.com/earthsea/earthseahome.html In both cases you should consider the earthsea-related material in these links is meant to be "shared amongst friends" (i.e. the friends on this mailing list - you ) and not a commercial endeavor of any kind (my disclaimer in case big brother is watching). Thanks! Riz ---------------------------------------------- Rizwan Virk Chief Technologist, XML Publishing CambridgeDocs, a division of Document Sciences www.cambridgedocs.com 617-821-6394, riz@cambridgedocs.com personal: riz@alum.mit.edu ________________________________ From: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grumblewuggy Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 5:38 AM To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Subject: [the-ekumen] Re: Planning to Illustrate some of Ms. Le Guin's work. Well, I was wondering why I received such a cool reception. I intended to carry one with my mission regardless----the legal way. Now that you mention that you might want to see the results it does make me feel better. As for the reasons, I'll elaborate: My search engine did not turn up any illustrations inspired by UKL's work unless it was on a book cover, and some amateur stuff in the fanart section in Elfwood. No not even one that's done by a professional. I think that's terrible (that's another reason why if anyone did do something and is sitting on it, I think it should be shared). We all know how her work has been watered down in the visual media to suite everyone's tastes. I don't want to complain about it cz it does no good, especially if I possess the skills to change it. I owe it to her---even if she doesn't get to see it---to do something that I feel is true to her vision. It will test my drawing skills, but it's worth the effort. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com , "jokerinchen" wrote: > > Oh. I misunderstood what you were about. I hope you didn't feel > attacked. That was not my intention. But I usually stick to the rule, > if I want to do something that I will take the necessary steps to do > it, even if that MAY BE unsuccessful because otherwise it WILL be > unsuccessfull. And I believe that UKL/agent will let you do the > illustrations. > > anyway theres a totally selfish motive for encouraging you to do this > work: I would really like to see some good illustrations myself. > > Hope you do and hope I see your work. Creativity and Concentration be > with you, Jokerine. > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com , "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > wrote: > > > > > > Well, a decent illustration should at least a month, from designing the > > characters, the composition, deciding on which colour palette to > > use----and after all that, like all artists I would like to be seen. > > It's just too tempting. A work of art isn't entirely worth anything > > unless it's seen. And no, I'm not doing this entirely for myself. > > > > "At least you will know what you are about. etc." > > > > Wow... > > > > > > > > Thanks anyways..... > > > > > > > > RG > > > > > > > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com , "jokerinchen" wrote: > > > > > > In any case, you can do this for yourself. And taking the leap never > > > hurts. At least you will know what you are about. etc. > > > > > > J. > > > > > > --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com , "grumblewuggy" grumblewuggy@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, it gets a little complicated. I assume at least someone on this > > > > group has written to her agent for something. How long do you think > > > > she'd take to reply back? Do you think she'll risk some random > > > > person to illustrate her work again, considering she wasn't happy > > > > with what's already been done to it? Should I send an example of > > > > what I have in mind, because I assume she gets a hundred mails a day > > > > with similar requests? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, perhaps the nicest thing I can do is not touch it /:-? > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] IMPORTANT NOTICE This communication is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure by applicable law. If the recipient of this communication is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by telephone at 760-602-1400 and delete the communication from all email files. 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would help to remember that we are all free to write or draw anything we might want about Earthsea for our own private enjoyment. But if we publicly distribute what we write or draw, or even more if we market it (sell it for our own income), then we are taking onto ourselves the right to play in UKL's private sandbox, and to introduce competing anxillary products to those she has authorized and been paid for - in other words, to risk diminishing her income. Do we really wish to do that to an author we admire? It should be she (and her agent) who gets to decide whether we do this, not us. (Certainly for a living author - the extension of copyrights into near-perpetuity is another matter.) The person who wants to draw the illustrations says the project isn't worthwhile unless the work is seen. Well, every creative person wants their work to be seen. Sometimes they get that, sometimes they don't. It is possible to show your work privately to friends, or even publicly at a gallery or science-fiction convention art show, without putting it on the Web for the entire world to see. When you put it on the Web you have published it, and publishing is another matter. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done the needful. I said won't draw anything without her permission or blessing. Jeez I hope that doesn't sound too sentimental. I do want my work to be seen, since there's not much of it and whatever I put effort into I would want to share. Besides, she wouldn't want some vague person mucking about with her work. Again. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, David Bratman wrote: > > I think it would help to remember that we are all free to write or draw anything we might want about Earthsea for our own private enjoyment. > > But if we publicly distribute what we write or draw, or even more if we market it (sell it for our own income), then we are taking onto ourselves the right to play in UKL's private sandbox, and to introduce competing anxillary products to those she has authorized and been paid for - in other words, to risk diminishing her income. Do we really wish to do that to an author we admire? It should be she (and her agent) who gets to decide whether we do this, not us. > > (Certainly for a living author - the extension of copyrights into near-perpetuity is another matter.) > > The person who wants to draw the illustrations says the project isn't worthwhile unless the work is seen. Well, every creative person wants their work to be seen. Sometimes they get that, sometimes they don't. It is possible to show your work privately to friends, or even publicly at a gallery or science-fiction convention art show, without putting it on the Web for the entire world to see. When you put it on the Web you have published it, and publishing is another matter. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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I windered if anyone out there could suggest where I might find info on ULK's 'anthropological' ideas, like an essay or something. Sounds a bit pompous but would love to include her in this dissertation on psychotherapy in the classroom Just reread LHD and uplifted - maybe that's a good place to start, though Dispossessed my favourite. ps, want to read up on Earthsea but there's a few more than the trilogy...any advice? Best wishes Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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The first to mention is of course her father, Alfred L. Kroeber. She also cites Claude LŽvi-Strauss and Victor Turner and uses the trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for utopia in the essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the World"). My reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and political ideas in her science fiction; surely there is more in other parts of her work. There are several books on Le Guin and her literary work: in them you will find more about anthropological influences and ideas. I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An interesting fact: Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of several anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the author of one of the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard of this book/ therapy (I am not a therapist but a political scientist, so I am not sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for psychotherapy). Le Guin hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the "anthropology" depicted in it (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) harmonizes with her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for "The Dispossessed" are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. "Communitas" (and of course Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of anarchist history/ anthropology, too). Best regards Peter Seyferth Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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My first exposure to Le Guin was "The Word for World is Forest" which early on shaped my environmental and political philosophy. As an anthropologist and archaeologist, the ultimate subversive disciplines, my understanding of anarchism is informed by my cross-cultural and temporal understanding of human societies. One could hardly be a child of Alfred Kroeber and NOT be an anarchist! I don't know about Gestalt Therapy. As the Old Gammer told me, "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined!" There is a certain amount of emphasis on cultural healing of social psychosis in Le Guin's work, which is consistent with viewing anarchism as as a "natural" form of human social organization, in keeping with Kropotkin's "Mutual Aid." I don't subscribe to the idea of environmentalism as therapy in the ecopsychology realm. It's a bit too cerebral for an earth-based philosophy. I tend toward Peter Berg, Gary Snyder and Kirkpatrick Sale in envisioning an anarchist society as "living in place," in a bioregional social organization. Michael Lewis Bwthyn Lleuad Bae Pacific Plate Peter Seyferth wrote: > Dear Mick, > > Le Guin is strongly influenced by several cultural anthropologists. > The first to mention is of course her father, Alfred L. Kroeber. She > also cites Claude LŽvi-Strauss and Victor Turner and uses the > trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for utopia in the > essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to > Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the World"). My > reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and political ideas in > her science fiction; surely there is more in other parts of her work. > There are several books on Le Guin and her literary work: in them you > will find more about anthropological influences and ideas. > > I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An interesting fact: > Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of several > anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the author of one of > the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard of this book/ > therapy (I am not a therapist but a political scientist, so I am not > sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for psychotherapy). Le Guin > hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the "anthropology" depicted in it > (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) harmonizes with > her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for "The Dispossessed" > are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. "Communitas" (and of course > Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of anarchist history/ > anthropology, too). > > Best regards > Peter Seyferth > Yahoo! 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Kroeber. She > also cites Claude LŽvi-Strauss and Victor Turner and > uses the > trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for > utopia in the > essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold > Place to > Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the > World"). My > reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and > political ideas in > her science fiction; surely there is more in other > parts of her work. > There are several books on Le Guin and her literary > work: in them you > will find more about anthropological influences and > ideas. > > I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An > interesting fact: > Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of > several > anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the > author of one of > the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard > of this book/ > therapy (I am not a therapist but a political > scientist, so I am not > sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for > psychotherapy). Le Guin > hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the > "anthropology" depicted in it > (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) > harmonizes with > her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for > "The Dispossessed" > are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. > "Communitas" (and of course > Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of > anarchist history/ > anthropology, too). > > Best regards > Peter Seyferth ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Along with other UKL works, it has largely informed my thinking about anarchism, taoism, and the intersection of the two. Thanks Michael for the suggested reading... I'd heard of Gary Snyder but not those other two. On a somewhat related note, I've recently begun Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy, which was suggested to me (I think perhaps by someone on this list!) as being similar to _The Dispossessed_. It's a great read. Different from _Dispossessed_ in some ways (more of a standard science-fiction saga, and KSR is more technophilic than UKL, in terms of both his opinions on the value of technology to society and his apparent love for elaborate technical descriptions.) But there are some striking similarities as well. It's a much more overtly political book in a way, since it's set in an imaginary near-future and thus involves real-world countries and institutions behaving much as one might imagine in the world the books describe. Peter, I was also very interested in your comments re cultural anthropology. It always seemed to me that LeGuin's father must have been an early influence on her, but I've never read an interview or essay in which she cited him as such (which perhaps demonstrates the extent of my ignorance!) Finally, for anyone confused about the Earthsea "trilogy," the original three books are 1: A Wizard of Earthsea, 2: The Tombs of Atuan, 3: The Farthest Shore. Since then, three more have been published: 4: Tehanu, 5: Tales of Earthsea, 6: The Other Wind. I hope that is helpful! Cheers, Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Lewis Date: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:49 pm Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Re:help with dissertation To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com > Hello Peter and all: > > Interesting thread, in that I'm re-reading "The Dispossessed" and > > others of Le Guin's revolutionary fiction, including the essay in > "Dancing..." > > My first exposure to Le Guin was "The Word for World is Forest" > which early on shaped my environmental and political philosophy. As an > > anthropologist and archaeologist, the ultimate subversive disciplines, > > my understanding of anarchism is informed by my cross-cultural and > temporal understanding of human societies. One could hardly be a child > > of Alfred Kroeber and NOT be an anarchist! > > I don't know about Gestalt Therapy. As the Old Gammer told me, > "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined!" > There > is a certain amount of emphasis on cultural healing of social > psychosis > in Le Guin's work, which is consistent with viewing anarchism as as a > > "natural" form of human social organization, in keeping with > Kropotkin's > "Mutual Aid." > > I don't subscribe to the idea of environmentalism as therapy in > the > ecopsychology realm. It's a bit too cerebral for an earth-based > philosophy. I tend toward Peter Berg, Gary Snyder and Kirkpatrick Sale > > in envisioning an anarchist society as "living in place," in a > bioregional social organization. > > Michael Lewis > Bwthyn Lleuad Bae > Pacific Plate > > > Peter Seyferth wrote: > > Dear Mick, > > > > Le Guin is strongly influenced by several cultural anthropologists. > > > The first to mention is of course her father, Alfred L. Kroeber. She > > > also cites Claude LŽvi-Strauss and Victor Turner and uses the > > trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for utopia in the > > essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to > > Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the World"). My > > reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and political ideas in > > > her science fiction; surely there is more in other parts of her > work. > > There are several books on Le Guin and her literary work: in them > you > > will find more about anthropological influences and ideas. > > > > I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An interesting fact: > > > Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of several > > anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the author of one > of > > the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard of this book/ > > therapy (I am not a therapist but a political scientist, so I am not > > > sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for psychotherapy). Le Guin > > hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the "anthropology" depicted in it > > > (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) harmonizes with > > > her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for "The Dispossessed" > > > are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. "Communitas" (and of course > > > Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of anarchist > history/ > > anthropology, too). > > > > Best regards > > Peter Seyferth > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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(char@24.17.43.169) by ns1.server304.com with ESMTPA; 30 Apr 2007 21:34:47 -0000 To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <4634C2CB.4070900@calcentral.com> Message-Id: <1177969008.23885.49.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.35.196.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Charlene Osman X-Yahoo-Profile: osmanchar Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:36:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Re:help with dissertation Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I've read most of LeGuin's fiction stories at least once, and one of my favorites is Always Coming Home. It did confuse me greatly the first time through, though, as it is written as an anthropology of a people who do not yet exist. I haven't read much of LeGuin's non-fiction, so I don't know where her ideas may have come from, but I find many of her works resonating with what I read in The Chalice and The Blade, a non-fiction work by Riane Eisler concerning anthropology, archeology, history, pre-history, and feminism. The "generative metaphors" in the back of ACH struck me in particular. Perhaps someone more educated than I in these matters could discover other links and possible influences there. The short story "May's Lion", in Buffalo Gals, also helped me to understand LeGuin's process in writing ACH, illustrating sharply the contrasts between our world today and the world she created for the novel, and a bit of how she got from one to the other. --Charlene On Mon, 2007-04-30 at 14:53 -0400, MARGARET ZUPANCIC wrote: > Yes, definitely an interesting thread! _The Dispossessed_ is one of my > all-time favorite books; I feel like I get something new > from it every time I read it. Along with other UKL works, it has > largely informed my thinking about anarchism, taoism, and the > intersection of the two. Thanks Michael for the suggested reading... > I'd heard of Gary Snyder but not those other two. > > On a somewhat related note, I've recently begun Kim Stanley Robinson's > Mars trilogy, which was suggested to me (I think > perhaps by someone on this list!) as being similar to _The > Dispossessed_. It's a great read. Different from _Dispossessed_ in > some ways (more of a standard science-fiction saga, and KSR is more > technophilic than UKL, in terms of both his opinions on > the value of technology to society and his apparent love for elaborate > technical descriptions.) But there are some striking > similarities as well. It's a much more overtly political book in a > way, since it's set in an imaginary near-future and thus involves > real-world countries and institutions behaving much as one might > imagine in the world the books describe. > > Peter, I was also very interested in your comments re cultural > anthropology. It always seemed to me that LeGuin's father must > have been an early influence on her, but I've never read an interview > or essay in which she cited him as such (which perhaps > demonstrates the extent of my ignorance!) > > Finally, for anyone confused about the Earthsea "trilogy," the > original three books are 1: A Wizard of Earthsea, 2: The Tombs of > Atuan, 3: The Farthest Shore. Since then, three more have been > published: 4: Tehanu, 5: Tales of Earthsea, 6: The Other > Wind. I hope that is helpful! > > Cheers, > Meg > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Lewis > Date: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:49 pm > Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Re:help with dissertation > To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com > > > Hello Peter and all: > > > > Interesting thread, in that I'm re-reading "The Dispossessed" and > > > > others of Le Guin's revolutionary fiction, including the essay in > > "Dancing..." > > > > My first exposure to Le Guin was "The Word for World is Forest" > > which early on shaped my environmental and political philosophy. As > an > > > > anthropologist and archaeologist, the ultimate subversive > disciplines, > > > > my understanding of anarchism is informed by my cross-cultural and > > temporal understanding of human societies. One could hardly be a > child > > > > of Alfred Kroeber and NOT be an anarchist! > > > > I don't know about Gestalt Therapy. As the Old Gammer told me, > > "Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined!" > > There > > is a certain amount of emphasis on cultural healing of social > > psychosis > > in Le Guin's work, which is consistent with viewing anarchism as as > a > > > > "natural" form of human social organization, in keeping with > > Kropotkin's > > "Mutual Aid." > > > > I don't subscribe to the idea of environmentalism as therapy in > > the > > ecopsychology realm. It's a bit too cerebral for an earth-based > > philosophy. I tend toward Peter Berg, Gary Snyder and Kirkpatrick > Sale > > > > in envisioning an anarchist society as "living in place," in a > > bioregional social organization. > > > > Michael Lewis > > Bwthyn Lleuad Bae > > Pacific Plate > > > > > > Peter Seyferth wrote: > > > Dear Mick, > > > > > > Le Guin is strongly influenced by several cultural > anthropologists. > > > > > The first to mention is of course her father, Alfred L. Kroeber. > She > > > > > also cites Claude LĂ©vi-Strauss and Victor Turner and uses the > > > trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for utopia in the > > > essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to > > > Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the World"). My > > > reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and political ideas > in > > > > > her science fiction; surely there is more in other parts of her > > work. > > > There are several books on Le Guin and her literary work: in them > > you > > > will find more about anthropological influences and ideas. > > > > > > I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An interesting > fact: > > > > > Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of several > > > anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the author of > one > > of > > > the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard of this > book/ > > > therapy (I am not a therapist but a political scientist, so I am > not > > > > > sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for psychotherapy). Le Guin > > > hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the "anthropology" depicted in > it > > > > > (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) harmonizes > with > > > > > her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for "The > Dispossessed" > > > > > are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. "Communitas" (and of > course > > > > > Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of anarchist > > history/ > > > anthropology, too). > > > > > > Best regards > > > Peter Seyferth > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Le Guin: Voyager to Inner Lands and to Outer Space. Port Washington, NY: Kennikat Press, 1979; Barbara J. Bucknall: Ursula K. Le Guin. New York: Frederick Ungar, 1981; Charlotte Spivack: Ursula K. Le Guin. Boston: Twayne, 1984; Suzanne Elizabeth Reid: Presenting Ursula K. Le Guin. New York: Twayne, 1997. I recommend the newest one. Charlene: "Always Coming Home" is one of my favorites, too. It is the book that resulted from the anthropology-oriented discussion of utopian thought in "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to Be"; therefore Claude LĂ©vi-Strauss and Victor Turner have to be counted as (at least indirect) influences on ACH, too. However, one of the most important influences on ACH is Murray Bookchins "The Ecology of Freedom". It is very interesting to find influences on Le Guin's utopias (The Dispossessed and ACH), and it's even more interesting to trace the changes in her utopian thought. Which I have done in a doctoral thesis that will be published later this year (sorry: only in German language)... Attenders of the 8th International Conference of the Utopian Studies Society in Plymouth this summer at least will hear bits of it in English. Best regards Peter [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=U00tRVJxISRhYqkwiIKVWHeKYKNOr1elT+0M2mvOWe6BWJe76vgF4z5gBZY3rB/TqIaBlmGX0XJh7SoqelWnGRdD4LECzmXD+m3BqPFV5sJhIkmAtm/w3Rf+polZh+Ty; Received: from [66.218.69.2] by n23.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 07:09:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.95] by t2.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 07:05:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2266408-m610 X-Sender: jokerine@gmx.net X-Apparently-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10807 invoked from network); 2 May 2007 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m38.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2007 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n11d.bullet.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.67.60) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2007 07:05:16 -0000 Received: from [209.73.164.86] by n22.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 07:04:57 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.83] by t8.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 07:04:57 -0000 To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <79F55EFB-D8AA-461A-B93C-B8191DD38505@punkergegenmenschen.de> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 66.218.67.60 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:6:0:0 X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 129.69.229.78 From: "jokerinchen" X-Yahoo-Profile: jokerinchen Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:04:56 -0000 Subject: [the-ekumen] Re: help with dissertation Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Will it be possible to read it? Paula. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, Peter Seyferth wrote: > > > Meg: The main source for my statement that Kroeber influenced his > daughter are these four books: Joe De Bolt: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin: > Voyager to Inner Lands and to Outer Space. Port Washington, NY: > Kennikat Press, 1979; Barbara J. Bucknall: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin. New > York: Frederick Ungar, 1981; Charlotte Spivack: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin. > Boston: Twayne, 1984; Suzanne Elizabeth Reid: Presenting Ursula K. > Le‰ĄĹGuin. New York: Twayne, 1997. I recommend the newest one. > > Charlene: "Always Coming Home" is one of my favorites, too. It is the > book that resulted from the anthropology-oriented discussion of > utopian thought in "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold > Place to Be"; therefore Claude LĚ©vi-Strauss and Victor Turner have to > be counted as (at least indirect) influences on ACH, too. However, > one of the most important influences on ACH is Murray Bookchins "The > Ecology of Freedom". > > It is very interesting to find influences on Le Guin's utopias (The > Dispossessed and ACH), and it's even more interesting to trace the > changes in her utopian thought. Which I have done in a doctoral > thesis that will be published later this year (sorry: only in German > language)... Attenders of the 8th International Conference of the > Utopian Studies Society in Plymouth this summer at least will hear > bits of it in English. > > Best regards > Peter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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It includes some interesting stuff about her father and other family members and conections, for example 'Indian Uncles', which might be useful to you. Hannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Seyferth To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: [the-ekumen] Re:help with dissertation Dear Mick, Le Guin is strongly influenced by several cultural anthropologists. The first to mention is of course her father, Alfred L. Kroeber. She also cites Claude LŽvi-Strauss and Victor Turner and uses the trickster-concept while depicting her new ideas for utopia in the essay "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold Place to Be" (printed in the book "Dancing at the Edge of the World"). My reading of Le Guin is focused on her utopias and political ideas in her science fiction; surely there is more in other parts of her work. There are several books on Le Guin and her literary work: in them you will find more about anthropological influences and ideas. I wonder how this matches with psychotherapy... An interesting fact: Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" is based on writings of several anarchists, one of them Paul Goodman. Goodman is the author of one of the parts of "Gestalt Therapy"--maybe you have heard of this book/ therapy (I am not a therapist but a political scientist, so I am not sure how relevant gestalt therapy is for psychotherapy). Le Guin hasn't read "Gestalt Therapy", but the "anthropology" depicted in it (i.e. Goodmans description of what human beings are) harmonizes with her taoist and anarchist attitudes. The ideas for "The Dispossessed" are from other writings of Goodman, e.g. "Communitas" (and of course Kropotkin's "Mutual Help", which contains a kind of anarchist history/ anthropology, too). Best regards Peter Seyferth [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Don't forget Theodora Kroeber, Le Guin's mother, was also an anthropological writer who had a Master's degree in clinical pyschology. Her first publication was in the American Anthropologist in 1926. I have no doubt Theodora Kroeber was just as much a formative influence as Ursula's father. Theodora Kroeber's works include: * The Inland Whale. 1959. Indiana University Press, Bloomington. * Ishi in Two Worlds: A Biography of the Last Wild Indian in North America. 1961. University of California Press, Berkeley. * Ishi: The Last of His Tribe. 1964. Parnassus Press, Berkeley, California. * (with Robert F. Heizer) Almost Ancestors: The First Californians. 1968. Sierra Club, San Francisco. * Alfred Kroeber: A Personal Configuration. 1970. University of California Press, Berkeley. * (with Robert F. Heizer and Albert B. Elsasser) Drawn from Life: California Indians in Pen and Brush. 1976. Ballena Press, Socorro, New Mexico. * (with Robert F. Heizer) Ishi, the Last Yahi: A Documentary History. 1979. University of California Press, Berkeley. I can recommend 'Ishi: The Lst of his Tribe'. A very poignant tale that has twice been made into a television movie. I also enjoyed 'The Inland Whale' - it focuses on female characters in North American Indian folklore. Definitely something unusual. And the biography of Alfred Kroeber is worthwhile reading as well. Takver http://www.takver.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Stillman" X-Yahoo-Profile: gwfhegel Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:38:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Re:help with dissertation Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the risk of too blatant self-promotion, Laurence Davis and I have recently (2005) edited a book, The New Utopian Politics of Ursula K. Le Guin's The Dispossessed (published by Lexington Books in the US & UK -- ppbk & cloth). Although written by academics it is a readable book that treats many of the themes of the books, including the origins in the anarchists and Taoist thought. Cultural anthropology less so, although I think it is true that Le Guin's creation of universes has been influenced by the wide scope of cultural anthropology, even before Always Coming Home. Especially if you are interested in the relation of Le Guin to anarchist and to Taoist thought, many of the chapters treat those topics. -- Peter G. Stillman stillman@vassar.edu http://faculty.vassar.edu/stillman Professor, Political Science, Rocky 204, ext. 5581 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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With regard to the influence of Alfred Kroeber's work in cultural anthropology on Le Guin, I quite like the following remark she made, quoted in De Bolt: "My father felt very strongly you can never get outside your own culture. All you can do is try. I think that feeling sometimes comes out in my writing. My father studied real cultures and I make them up -- in a way it's the same thing." Laurence Davis [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; b=JxxXy2gigLwGFHgawlzXDOorgCwh2zM7RvjTVerctLLnEygk10stC4UXU5Np+8W/ItNheRttCh7t5Ye0gD5sraHsc3FVkUeXwCpFwp3hENDmfmy41OwJ1ldYml3I8yyy; Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n5.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 21:39:40 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.109] by t4.bullet.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 May 2007 21:39:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 2266408-m611 X-Sender: cull_dodd2002@yahoo.co.uk X-Apparently-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 25993 invoked from network); 2 May 2007 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.67.34) by m45.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 May 2007 21:38:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com) (217.146.176.227) by mta8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2007 21:38:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 98611 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2007 21:38:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: I4z2ZYkVM1mSn3G9GyvMlCHiK0UcW7Y9XFp.ldVXiyEO5lnuUDZ8lonpMvNA6y2fqjW8DpyeYu1kwe40n_XqFwTATrXsNjR7aUUjbuLkT5msKuNRf5PHPm33Jwk- Received: from [86.149.99.149] by web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 May 2007 22:38:37 BST To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <009f01c78cd3$a22ec270$0201a8c0@home6yks5fkixn> Message-ID: <308167.98370.qm@web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 217.146.176.227 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Michael Cull-Dodd X-Yahoo-Profile: cull_dodd2002 Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:38:37 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] help with dissertation Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think now I'm getting somewhere. What more does she say on identity and culture? Any takers? or should I say takvers? with respect Mick --- Laurence Davis wrote: > Thanks to Takver for the interesting book > recommendations. > > With regard to the influence of Alfred Kroeber's > work in cultural anthropology on Le Guin, I quite > like the following remark she made, quoted in De > Bolt: > > "My father felt very strongly you can never get > outside your own culture. All you can do is try. I > think that feeling sometimes comes out in my > writing. My father studied real cultures and I make > them up -- in a way it's the same thing." > > Laurence Davis > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! 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Your doctoral research sounds fascinating - too bad I don't know German... As a somewhat rabid UKL fan with no professional literary credentials of any kind, I can vouch for the accessibility of the Stillman and Davis anthology to a layperson. Among other things, this thread got me thinking about the final essay, by UKL herself, in which she expressed mild distaste for how much has been written about _The Dispossessed_ as compared to _Always Coming Home_, which she seemed to feel has been underappreciated. Sounds like perhaps that void is beginning to be filled... although I'll stress again that I'm strictly an amateur here and really have no idea of what's being discussed or researched on the academic circuit these days. On a completely separate note - Takver, I loved your website! It seems like you put a lot of work into that! Cheers, Meg ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Seyferth Date: Tuesday, May 1, 2007 2:04 pm Subject: [the-ekumen] Re: help with dissertation To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com > Meg: The main source for my statement that Kroeber influenced his > daughter are these four books: Joe De Bolt: Ursula K. Le Guin: > Voyager to Inner Lands and to Outer Space. Port Washington, NY: > Kennikat Press, 1979; Barbara J. Bucknall: Ursula K. Le Guin. New > York: Frederick Ungar, 1981; Charlotte Spivack: Ursula K. Le Guin. > Boston: Twayne, 1984; Suzanne Elizabeth Reid: Presenting Ursula K. > Le Guin. New York: Twayne, 1997. I recommend the newest one. > > Charlene: "Always Coming Home" is one of my favorites, too. It is the > > book that resulted from the anthropology-oriented discussion of > utopian thought in "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold > Place to Be"; therefore Claude LĂ©vi-Strauss and Victor Turner have to > > be counted as (at least indirect) influences on ACH, too. However, > one of the most important influences on ACH is Murray Bookchins "The > > Ecology of Freedom". > > It is very interesting to find influences on Le Guin's utopias (The > Dispossessed and ACH), and it's even more interesting to trace the > changes in her utopian thought. Which I have done in a doctoral > thesis that will be published later this year (sorry: only in German > > language)... Attenders of the 8th International Conference of the > Utopian Studies Society in Plymouth this summer at least will hear > bits of it in English. > > Best regards > Peter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Will it be published as a book? And what will its title be? Elke Anna --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, Peter Seyferth wrote: > > > Meg: The main source for my statement that Kroeber influenced his > daughter are these four books: Joe De Bolt: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin: > Voyager to Inner Lands and to Outer Space. Port Washington, NY: > Kennikat Press, 1979; Barbara J. Bucknall: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin. New > York: Frederick Ungar, 1981; Charlotte Spivack: Ursula K. Le‰ĄĹGuin. > Boston: Twayne, 1984; Suzanne Elizabeth Reid: Presenting Ursula K. > Le‰ĄĹGuin. New York: Twayne, 1997. I recommend the newest one. > > Charlene: "Always Coming Home" is one of my favorites, too. It is the > book that resulted from the anthropology-oriented discussion of > utopian thought in "A Non-Euclidean View of California as a Cold > Place to Be"; therefore Claude LĚ©vi-Strauss and Victor Turner have to > be counted as (at least indirect) influences on ACH, too. However, > one of the most important influences on ACH is Murray Bookchins "The > Ecology of Freedom". > > It is very interesting to find influences on Le Guin's utopias (The > Dispossessed and ACH), and it's even more interesting to trace the > changes in her utopian thought. Which I have done in a doctoral > thesis that will be published later this year (sorry: only in German > language)... Attenders of the 8th International Conference of the > Utopian Studies Society in Plymouth this summer at least will hear > bits of it in English. > > Best regards > Peter > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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Its title will be "Utopie, Anarchismus und Science Fiction. Ursula K. Le Guins Werke von 1962 bis 2002". I think it is readable: a non-academic friend of mine read it and understood all of it (despite of its academic language and its more than 1,500 footnotes...). In the meanwhile Davis's and Stillman's book on "The Dispossessed" is definitely a must-read if you are interested in Le Guin's utopian politics. The essays in it are very thought-provoking and offer new views on Le Guin's most famous utopia. I think the best way to deal with "Always Coming Home" is reading parts of it in no particular order. The academic approach necessarily narrows one's mind; in my case, I concentrate on ACH as utopiaŃbut there is more in it (and maybe it isn't utopia at all!). If I were not a political scientist my focus in understanding ACH could be totally different. Richard D. Erlich called ACH Le Guin's "unBible" in his book on Le Guin ("Coyote's Song: The Teaching Stories of Ursula K. Le Guin"). This book has two advantages over mine: first, it is in English language (which mine will not be), and second, it is a free accessible book (which mine will also not be): see http:// wiz.cath.vt.edu/sfra/Coyote/CoyoteHome.htm, in it the very long chapter on ACH: http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/sfra/Coyote/alwayshome.htm Best regards, Peter Seyferth Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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(71.236.158.165) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 23:44:16 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.236.158.165 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.68.5.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: heather whipple X-Yahoo-Profile: hhwsondry Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:44:14 -0700 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Earthsea trivia question: Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We don't learn his name, but Ged eventually asks him what it is so he can re-enter the school at the end of chapter 4. And now I have a vague recollection that he shows up again in book 6 (perhaps with name?), which I have not yet read as many times as books 1-3. Heather >Does anyone remember if the Doorkeeper in the original trilogy was >ever called by his name? If so, do you remember what his name was? > >Thanks! -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . heather whipple hhw@sondryfolk.net http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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(71.236.158.165) by relay02.pair.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 23:44:58 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 71.236.158.165 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Originating-IP: 209.68.5.16 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: heather whipple X-Yahoo-Profile: hhwsondry Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:44:57 -0700 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Earthsea trivia question: Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit that's ch 4 of Wizard of Earthsea, sorry. >We don't learn his name, but Ged eventually asks him what it is so he >can re-enter the school at the end of chapter 4. And now I have a >vague recollection that he shows up again in book 6 (perhaps with >name?), which I have not yet read as many times as books 1-3. > >Heather > >>Does anyone remember if the Doorkeeper in the original trilogy was >>ever called by his name? If so, do you remember what his name was? >> >>Thanks! > >-- >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . >heather whipple >hhw@sondryfolk.net >http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > -- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . heather whipple hhw@sondryfolk.net http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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He's a pretty remarkable person, if you think about it. First of all, every sorcerer and wizard in Earthsea (except those few who are older than he) knows his true name, so he is completely vulnerable to magic. Second, he knows the name of every sorcerer and wizard in Earthsea, so if someone did use magic on him, he could retaliate. Where the understanding of betrayal is completely clear to both parties, there is very likely to be complete trust -- as there is. The first and last lesson at Roke is to trust. -- In politics, obedience and support John Cowan are the same thing. --Hannah Arendt http://www.ccil.org/~cowan Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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One of the doors to the school was called "Medra's Gate" because he sat by the door for such a long period of time. But the Doorkeeper by the time of A Wizard of Earthsea was most likely someone else ...(I don't recall this ever being explicitly stated, it's a pretty good bet given the time elapsed). From "To Light A Candle, An Unofficial Earthsea Companion" : Medra the Finder - A mage who helped establish the School for Wizards on Roke. Medra was known as Otter in his youth on Havnor, where he learned from Hound and Earkly, who were both in the service of Losen. When he escaped and came to Roke, Medra was known as Tern, and in his boat, Hopeful, he hlelped to find young wizards and books of lore to bring back to Roke. Medra lived with Elehal in the Immanent Grove for a time. He was the Master Finder for some time, and then later, he became the Master Doorkeeper and one of the doors to the Great House was called Medra's Gate because of him. Thanks Riz ---------------------------------------------- Rizwan Virk Chief Technologist, XML Publishing CambridgeDocs, a division of Document Sciences www.cambridgedocs.com 617-821-6394, riz@cambridgedocs.com personal: riz@alum.mit.edu ________________________________ From: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of heather whipple Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:45 PM To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Earthsea trivia question: that's ch 4 of Wizard of Earthsea, sorry. >We don't learn his name, but Ged eventually asks him what it is so he >can re-enter the school at the end of chapter 4. And now I have a >vague recollection that he shows up again in book 6 (perhaps with >name?), which I have not yet read as many times as books 1-3. > >Heather > >>Does anyone remember if the Doorkeeper in the original trilogy was >>ever called by his name? 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I thought I remembered that he was named, but my books are at school! --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, "Rizwan Virk" wrote: > > In Tales of Earthsea, we learn about the first Master Doorkeeper - who > was Medra the finder. One of the doors to the school was called > "Medra's Gate" because he sat by the door for such a long period of > time. But the Doorkeeper by the time of A Wizard of Earthsea was most > likely someone else ...(I don't recall this ever being explicitly > stated, it's a pretty good bet given the time elapsed). > > > > > > From "To Light A Candle, An Unofficial Earthsea Companion" : > > > > Medra the Finder - A mage who helped establish the School for Wizards on > Roke. Medra was known as Otter in his youth on Havnor, where he learned > from Hound and Earkly, who were both in the service of Losen. When he > escaped and came to Roke, Medra was known as Tern, and in his boat, > Hopeful, he hlelped to find young wizards and books of lore to bring > back to Roke. Medra lived with Elehal in the Immanent Grove for a time. > He was the Master Finder for some time, and then later, he became the > Master Doorkeeper and one of the doors to the Great House was called > Medra's Gate because of him. > > > > Thanks > > Riz > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > > Rizwan Virk > > Chief Technologist, XML Publishing > > CambridgeDocs, a division of Document Sciences > > www.cambridgedocs.com > > 617-821-6394, riz@... > > personal: riz@... > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com [mailto:the- ekumen@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of heather whipple > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:45 PM > To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Earthsea trivia question: > > > > that's ch 4 of Wizard of Earthsea, sorry. > > >We don't learn his name, but Ged eventually asks him what it is so he > >can re-enter the school at the end of chapter 4. And now I have a > >vague recollection that he shows up again in book 6 (perhaps with > >name?), which I have not yet read as many times as books 1-3. > > > >Heather > > > >>Does anyone remember if the Doorkeeper in the original trilogy was > >>ever called by his name? If so, do you remember what his name was? > >> > >>Thanks! > > > >-- > >. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > >heather whipple > >hhw@... > >http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > -- > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > heather whipple > hhw@... > http://www.sondryfolk.net/hhw > > > > > IMPORTANT NOTICE > > This communication is confidential and is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is protected from disclosure by applicable law. 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's very unlike me to promote fancy new technologies (or I would not be on this list), but it brought a smile to my face when I read this article, which I heard about on another list. You may see why I thought of the ansible. http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article2611757.ece "Scientists have set a new record in sending information through thin air using the revolutionary technology of quantum teleportation - although Mr Spock may have to wait a little longer for a Scotty to beam him up with it. . . . The scientists did it by exploiting the "spooky" and virtually unfathomable field of quantum entanglement - when the state of matter rather than matter itself is sent from one place to another. Tiny packets or particles of light, photons, were used to teleport information between telescopes on the two islands. . . . "In principle, such experiments may in future be used for teleporting information between places, but our system is not capable of transporting matter" . . . Albert Einstein described quantum entanglement as "spooky action at a distance" and it relies on the fact that two photons can be created in such a way that they behave as a single object, even if they are separated by large distances. In behaving in this way they are acting as a teleportation machine because any changes to one causes similar changes to the other. The way this is done is via a third photon, which is teleported from the photon in the transmitting station to the photon in the receiver. In the process, the third photon becomes entangled with the transmitting photon and so carries its quantum information to the receiving photon, which interacts with the third photon in such a way that it becomes identical to it - hence the information is successfully transmitted." _______________________________ I don't remember whether any details about the ansible's mechanism of action are given that would make it different from what's described, but this was the closest thing I have heard of. And pretty fascinating: two photons behaving as if they are one, despite separation by long distances, with changes to one causing changes to the other! Wow! I don't know how fast it would operate -- maybe it would still be limited by the speed of light? What people really seem to be interested in is being able to "beam" objects or persons, as in Star Trek, but the scientists are saying that the transmission of information is what is much more feasible. Bonnie. 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After great struggles, I finally succeeded in wresting a small, black cat from the maw of the animal shelter operated by the neighboring county, a bad place, where many cats die all the time. At last, I arrived at the vets, where the kitty would be cared for and given medical help. When they started to look my new cat over, the assisting vet tech pronounced, "This isn't a female, he's a male!" -- showing me the incriminating evidence. ;-) All along, I had been told that it was a little female I would be adopting, and I hadn't had much chance to examine him. It was funny to have to adjust my perception of who he was. Though the genders were reversed, instantly I thought of a scene I love in Four Ways to Forgiveness, where Havzhiva is with Rakam: "Look out, he'll bite" I said. "Where is that?" "At the University. I see," Mr. Yehedarhed said, looking at his thumb. I apologized. He asked me if I was certain that Owner was male. I said that I had been told so, but never had thought to look. "My impression is that your Owner is a lady," Mr. Yehedarhed said, in such a way that I began to laugh helplessly. :-) I love that book so much. He and Rakam are two of my all-time favorite Le Guin characters. Before this revelation, I had called the little cat Milagros, for the miracle of his having survived until he could be rescued, while his little sibling died a few days ago; but that's supposed to be a female name, I think. Maybe I'll add another first name . . . like Havzhiva? We'll see, once I get to know his character a little better. "Zhiv" would really throw people -- non-Spanish speakers are already having a hard enough time pronouncing Milagros! ;-) Bonnie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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(char@24.17.43.169) by ns1.server304.com with ESMTPA; 6 Jun 2007 03:44:19 -0000 To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <4666241D.8050106@comcast.net> References: <4666241D.8050106@comcast.net> Message-Id: <1181101838.11595.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.35.196.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Charlene Osman X-Yahoo-Profile: osmanchar Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:50:37 -0700 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Another thing that happened today Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonnie, When I read your cat story, my first thought was of Tug, the gray kitten that Moss gives to Alder in The Other Wind. Probably because I just finished reading it again. "'She's getting fat here (in the palace at Havnor)' Tehanu hesitated and then said timidly, 'I think it's a he.'" And you'll recall, earlier, when Ged tried to determine the kitten's sex, it "growled and struggled" and he gave it up. Anyhow, thanks for sharing your story! I am glad the cat did manage to survive until you could give it a good home. --Charlene On Tue, 2007-06-05 at 23:03 -0400, Bonnie Schrack wrote: > While I'm writing to this list, I thought I'd mention another thing > that > happened today. > > After great struggles, I finally succeeded in wresting a small, black > cat from the maw of the animal shelter operated by the neighboring > county, a bad place, where many cats die all the time. At last, I > arrived at the vets, where the kitty would be cared for and given > medical help. > > When they started to look my new cat over, the assisting vet tech > pronounced, "This isn't a female, he's a male!" -- showing me the > incriminating evidence. ;-) All along, I had been told that it was > a little female I would be adopting, and I hadn't had much chance to > examine him. It was funny to have to adjust my perception of who he > was. > > Though the genders were reversed, instantly I thought of a scene I > love > in Four Ways to Forgiveness, where Havzhiva is with Rakam: > > "Look out, he'll bite" I said. "Where is that?" > "At the University. I see," Mr. Yehedarhed said, looking at his > thumb. > I apologized. He asked me if I was certain that Owner was male. I > said > that I had been told so, but never had thought to look. > "My impression is that your Owner is a lady," Mr. Yehedarhed said, in > such a way that I began to laugh helplessly. > :-) > > I love that book so much. He and Rakam are two of my all-time > favorite > Le Guin characters. > > Before this revelation, I had called the little cat Milagros, for the > miracle of his having survived until he could be rescued, while his > little sibling died a few days ago; but that's supposed to be a > female > name, I think. Maybe I'll add another first name . . . like Havzhiva? > We'll see, once I get to know his character a little better. "Zhiv" > would really throw people -- non-Spanish speakers are already having > a > hard enough time pronouncing Milagros! ;-) > > Bonnie > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bonnie Schrack scripsit: > I don't remember whether any details about the ansible's mechanism of > action are given that would make it different from what's described, but > this was the closest thing I have heard of. And pretty fascinating: two > photons behaving as if they are one, despite separation by long > distances, with changes to one causing changes to the other! Wow! I > don't know how fast it would operate -- maybe it would still be limited > by the speed of light? Yes, it will. In order to send one qubit of quantum information, you have to send two bits of classical information. So you don't get faster-than-light communication this way. What you do get is perfectly secure communication -- any attempt to intercept the transmission will be revealed at the receiving end, which will receive a meaningless garble. -- That you can cover for the plentiful John Cowan and often gaping errors, misconstruals, http://www.ccil.org/~cowan and disinformation in your posts cowan@ccil.org through sheer volume -- that is another misconception. --Mike to Peter Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anybody has the earthsea quartet please mail it to me at coolcoolguddu@yahoo.com. Thanx in advance Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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There's a brief look at slavery, justice and the nature of such things in a society which is based on slavery. Then it turns into a ghost story basically. There are a lot of issues covered in this story: brutality, slavery, loyalty, the nature of justice, and how people's actions even many, many years earlier can affect their lives in the present. I'm not sure I quite understand this story and would love to hear other's thoughts on it. Diane Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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X-Yahoo-Profile: rubykaye Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:06:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] The Wild Girls, by UKL Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Diane, I'm not familiar with this story. Can you tell us what collection it's published in? It sounds like it includes many of the themes of "Four Ways to Forgiveness" and the related story "Old Music and the Slave Women" in "Birthday of the World." I highly recommend both of these story collections. "Four Ways to Forgiveness" is really four novellas, with overlapping characters. A magical work. Kathleen At 10:43 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: >This was an interesting story, in LeGuin's typical calm style. >There's a brief look at slavery, justice and the nature of such >things in a society which is based on slavery. Then it turns into a >ghost story basically. There are a lot of issues covered in this >story: brutality, slavery, loyalty, the nature of justice, and how >people's actions even many, many years earlier can affect their lives >in the present. I'm not sure I quite understand this story and would >love to hear other's thoughts on it. > >Diane Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! 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It was published in 2002 in Asimov's (which is where I found it, online, for free) and was nominated for a Hugo as a Novelette in 2003. It also won a couple of other awards. It is definitely along the lines of "Old Music and the Slave Women". Here is the link to Asimov's: http://www.asimovs.com/Hugos/wildgirls.shtml Enjoy! Diane > Diane, > I'm not familiar with this story. Can you tell us what collection > it's published in? It sounds like it includes many of the themes of > "Four Ways to Forgiveness" and the related story "Old Music and the > Slave Women" in "Birthday of the World." I highly recommend both of > these story collections. "Four Ways to Forgiveness" is really four > novellas, with overlapping characters. A magical work. > Kathleen > > At 10:43 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: > >> This was an interesting story, in LeGuin's typical calm style. >> There's a brief look at slavery, justice and the nature of such >> things in a society which is based on slavery. Then it turns into a >> ghost story basically. There are a lot of issues covered in this >> story: brutality, slavery, loyalty, the nature of justice, and how >> people's actions even many, many years earlier can affect their lives >> in the present. I'm not sure I quite understand this story and would >> love to hear other's thoughts on it. >> >> Diane > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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(char@24.17.45.121) by ns1.server304.com with ESMTPA; 7 Aug 2007 18:56:20 -0000 To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <202270D2-F79F-4BEA-9730-E7437CF06B0E@web.de> References: <202270D2-F79F-4BEA-9730-E7437CF06B0E@web.de> Message-Id: <1186513033.4786.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Originating-IP: 216.35.196.41 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:0:0:0 From: Charlene Osman X-Yahoo-Profile: osmanchar Sender: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com; contact the-ekumen-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:57:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [the-ekumen] Re: The Wild Girls Reply-To: the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you for that link Diane. I always enjoy reading a new Le Guin story. It is interesting to see portrayed how the slavery adversely affects everyone involved--oppressors as well as oppressed. I am currently reading Reading Lolita in Tehran (the memoir by Azar Nafisi), and she also comments on how the men suffer when they force all women to wear the veil (thereby making women invisible). While women in Iran are not slaves per se, the situations seem somewhat comparable to me, especially seeing how the slave women who intended for wives are treated in "The Wild Girls". On first reading, "The Wild Girls" seems to me to be mostly about people doing the best they can with the information they have. Most of the characters are trying to be kind, to do right as best they can, and their actions are limited or twisted by the society they grow up in, the rules they never think to question--the way things are. The wild girls in this story are coming from a place much like the one they are taken to; in both places men go on forays and take slaves. They do not question this. Contrast this to the viewpoint in "Always Coming Home", where North Owl (or Ayatyu) goes to the place of slavery from a place where everyone is human; where "people" include four-legged people and plant people and stone people. She questions everything about the City, only she learns not to do so aloud. And knowing there is another way, another place where things are different, is, I think, what gives Ayatyu the strength to leave the city and become Woman Coming Home. Whereas the girls in "The Wild Girls" believe they have no place else, or at least no place better, to go. Those are my initial thoughts. --Charlene On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:09 +0100, Diane Severson wrote: > It seems as though "the Wild Girls" isn't published in a collection > (yet). It was published in 2002 in Asimov's (which is where I found > it, online, for free) and was nominated for a Hugo as a Novelette in > 2003. It also won a couple of other awards. It is definitely along > the lines of "Old Music and the Slave Women". Here is the link to > Asimov's: > > http://www.asimovs.com/Hugos/wildgirls.shtml > > Enjoy! > Diane > > > Diane, > > I'm not familiar with this story. Can you tell us what collection > > it's published in? It sounds like it includes many of the themes of > > "Four Ways to Forgiveness" and the related story "Old Music and the > > Slave Women" in "Birthday of the World." I highly recommend both of > > these story collections. "Four Ways to Forgiveness" is really four > > novellas, with overlapping characters. A magical work. > > Kathleen > > > > At 10:43 AM 8/3/2007, you wrote: > > > >> This was an interesting story, in LeGuin's typical calm style. > >> There's a brief look at slavery, justice and the nature of such > >> things in a society which is based on slavery. Then it turns into a > >> ghost story basically. There are a lot of issues covered in this > >> story: brutality, slavery, loyalty, the nature of justice, and how > >> people's actions even many, many years earlier can affect their > lives > >> in the present. I'm not sure I quite understand this story and > would > >> love to hear other's thoughts on it. > >> > >> Diane > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the-ekumen/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:the-ekumen-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:the-ekumen-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: the-ekumen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From ???@??? 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(I think it may be officially a September book, but it's already shipping from Powells.com.) This third installment is called Powers, and it joins Gifts (the first book) and Voices (the second book) in this series. You can read an excerpt from Powers on Powells.com: http://tinyurl.com/2gh3am The offical UKL site has a roundup page for the whole series, with book covers, review quotes and other info: http://www.ursulakleguin.com/Index-WesternShore.html I somehow missed Voices when it came out, so I have two books to catch up on! While I'm at it, the September issue of Harper's, which I just got in the mail, reprints a short piece by UKL called "On Serious Literature," from the July issue of Ansible. Dave the moderator who mostly lurks ============================= Ocelopotamus: ~~~ News, culture, and politics. Not necessarily in that order. ~~~ ~~~ http://www.ocelopotamus.com Yahoo! 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I purchased a copy to take to a booksigning after having read the first and second of the series when they came out, and couldn't resist cracking the cover of Powers before UKL signed it. Then, of course, I had to go back and read the series straight through from the beginning. Really enjoyed it the second time around, too. -Sister A, a newbie to the forum, but a thirty-plus year fan. --- In the-ekumen@yahoogroups.com, Dave Awl wrote: > > Hi Ekumenicals, > > I don't think this has been mentioned here yet, but the third book in > UKL's "Annals of the Western Shores" series is out this month. (I > think it may be officially a September book, but it's already > shipping from Powells.com.) > > This third installment is called Powers, and it joins Gifts (the > first book) and Voices (the second book) in this series. > > You can read an excerpt from Powers on Powells.com: > http://tinyurl.com/2gh3am > > The offical UKL site has a roundup page for the whole series, with > book covers, review quotes and other info: > http://www.ursulakleguin.com/Index-WesternShore.html > > I somehow missed Voices when it came out, so I have two books to > catch up on! > > While I'm at it, the September issue of Harper's, which I just got in > the mail, reprints a short piece by UKL called "On Serious > Literature," from the July issue of Ansible. > > Dave > the moderator who mostly lurks > > ============================= > Ocelopotamus: > ~~~ News, culture, and politics. > Not necessarily in that order. ~~~ > ~~~ http://www.ocelopotamus.com > Yahoo! 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